Jesus and Horus, Zeitgeist Response, Part One

Well I must say, the Zeitgeist film is powerful- powerful images, powerful music, powerful words. Thanks so much for sending it my way; I've learned so much in just the few hours that I was researching. I've chosen to give you bits of stuff rather than just stick "everything" into one email. Although I got sleepy toward the end (sadly, right when the world was being taken over), I did watch parts 1 (most relevant to our discussion) and 2 most attentively. Part 2 is a conspiracy theory as you've stated (scary though, i must admit?!); sad to think that the next Oliver Stone will make a movie of it (a la JFK) in 20 years or so.

In trying to organize my thoughts about Part 1, I would begin by saying a couple of general statements, and then some specifics about the Horus/Jesus connection (NOTE: Probably not worth reading all at one sitting; sorry it's SO long):

(1) The entire tone of the presentation in Part 1 is surprisingly very matter-of-fact, both the claims against the historicity of Jesus (i.e., astrology) as well as the factual statements about Horus (and all the other messianic figures). It is interesting to me that in a Post-modern context (skeptical, by nature); here is a person purporting lots of factual (truth) claims without any references. As you must know, there are always two sides to every historical goose chase (wild or not), and it is just striking to me that he (the Voice) just comes across and says for example, "There it is. Mary is Virgo, the Maiden; Jesus is the Sun; Sirius is the Star in the East; and Orion's belt is the Three Wisemen." All I'm trying to say is that when religious folks make factual claims like this (without support), they're immediately discounted as fundamentalist quacks.

(2) The story of Jesus was tragically under-represented (but you knew I was going to say that, right?). For starters, there are several things about the story of Jesus that put some "historical pressure" on the reality of at least a man named Jesus from Nazereth claiming to be someone (Not "purely fictional" as the film states). (post email if you want to read more ...)

(3) Lastly, the story of Horus. I've pulled from several websites with references which I list below. It seems that there is NOT one individual character and story named Horus. The Horus story contains at least two different god stories, and possibly several more (e.g., it seems that there are similarities between Osiris and Horus stories). Therefore, it becomes more likely that there may be overlapping facts that coincide with the story of Jesus. (post email if you want to read more ...)

Here are the websites, some of them more interesting than others:
http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html
(although written from a pro-Jesus perspective, he seems to give the best , non-religious references to support his claims; btw, there are more links at the bottom of this page)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
(i guess this is the most "objective" viewpoint, i.e., non-religious)

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/BJesusandHorus74.htm
(interesting that the two different viewpoints are laid out, with the one being very similar to Zeitgeist, while the other is a pro-Jesus viewpoint).